Meaningful Conversation #5

Posted by Trish Petersen on April 30, 2010 under E=mc2

Engaging Women in Meaningful Conversations Makes Community

This week’s conversation reminded me of one of the reasons I started this project.  To me, what’s important is asking the questions that are so seldomly asked.  It’s about inspiring the idea of more meaningful conversations in the world between women.  My hope is that I’ve inspired that with the woman I had a conversation with this week.  What caught my attention with her was how engaged she was with her baby as she played with him and talked to him.  She was a beautiful example of a new mother, completely absorbed in the moment with her child.  I approached her and explained a bit about my E=mc2 project and she agreed to answer my questions, with a caution that if the questions got too personal she wouldn’t answer them.  We agreed that it was her choice to offer any comment.

What are you most proud of?

Wow. I guess my son. He’s my first. Yes.

I wish I had…

I wish I had time to travel. Right now it’s just him and…

What makes you happy?

My family.

What makes you sad?

When I see my family unhappy.

What do you fear?

I wouldn’t be able to answer that.

What inspires you?

I guess nature.

Who is your hero?

I’d say my Mom.

What do you dream of?

I won’t be able to answer that

My best advice is…

To be happy.

What questions should I ask you next?

I wouldn’t be able to answer that one either.

I have to admit that following this conversation I wondered if the questions I was asking were too probing or did I simply intrude on a moment between a mother and her child.  As a coach, I live in the land of these conversations regularly with my clients. And I was struck with how uncommon it is to have these kinds of questions asked of us.  It’s verging on radical.  Some may find the questions too probing. And I’m not going to change a thing about the questions I ask because I know that somewhere within each of us is a desire to be known on a deeper level. To share things about ourselves that are meaningful – if not with a stranger, then with a loved one.  And if not now, then sometime later down the road on our journey.

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Meaningful Conversation #4

Posted by Trish Petersen on April 23, 2010 under E=mc2

Engaging Women in Meaningful Conversations Makes Community

This conversation is with a woman I’ve been acquainted with for several years and yet there was so much I didn’t know about her because I never asked. She immigrated to Canada 25 years ago from Portugal and raised her family here. She cleans homes and offices for a living and was eager to share some insights that were meaningful to her.

What are you most proud of?

“I’m proud of my kids and my life because I come with nothing and I don’t accomplish a lot of material things but I accomplish a lot for my kids. They’ve turned out good – for now. From here it’s out of my hands. I’m proud of my hard work, not having school (I’ve only finished Portuguese grade 6) and I think I did okay. I’m proud of myself. I came to Canada for four months on vacation to stay with my cousin and I met my husband. I stayed and I’m still here 25 years later.”

I wish I had…

“I wish I had more free time or money-wise, so I can afford to have more free time to do more of nothing, just being at home.”

What makes you happy?

“Being out, just driving for no reason, just going places makes me feel happy. I like to go to a Portuguese bakery for a coffee and something sweet with a friend and talk about our children, sometimes bitching about our husbands but that I think is normal. Makes you feel alive – conversation that is.”

What makes you sad?

“Not nice answers from my kids. Like when they come home and they don’t kiss me. Like my husband telling me “Don’t get upset with me, but that fish smells badly” – makes me cry. I don’t like negativity. Sometimes I feel like I’m too negative and when I hear it from others it really makes me sad… I always tell them. Not in the moment. I have to cry first and then when things have settled down, then I tell them.

When I was a kid, I was really mouthy with my parents and I got into trouble every day. When I hear it from my kids, I remember. I’ve learned over the years. The first five years were very hard – of marriage and having kids. I grew up with more kindness than my husband did – it was very different. There was a different kind of respect

I grew up on a farm with my brother and my parents in Portugal. Every day my parents would go to their market and I would stay home with my brother. From the age of 7, I had to take care of my brother and I cooked for him. Every day the same thing at lunch – boiled potatoes and boiled fish. It was very different from growing up in the city.”

What do you fear?

“I fear my kids won’t accomplish and more than that they get into things they’re not supposed to. Even knowing now they are older, life always tricks you and I’m always afraid. Mostly I’m afraid because I’m not in control anymore. Sometimes even thinking about it makes me cry – the thought that something can happen to them makes me worried just because it’s not in my control to say “No don’t do it”. I feel like I’m in a boat without the oars.”

What inspires you?

“To go on? Just to be here. I am grateful for all I have. I’m happy just being alive, being here, I am happy. Feels good. I thank God for just being alive.”

Who is your hero?

“My Dad. My Dad and my Mom are role models for my marriage. But my Dad and I, we have the same kind of temperament.”

What do you long for?

“For the world to have? Peace. Not much. Every time I go to church, I don’t go often, but every time I ask for something, I ask for peace in the world. I never ask for me because other people have much more worse problems than me. Just peace and health for people who are worse off than me. I don’t ask for much.”

My best advice is…

“Hmmm… Be kind. Be kind to others if you want others to be kind to you. Even if you sometimes think they’re not, you’re not going to be accepted the way you want to be but at least you know in your conscience you are doing your best in a nice way to people… I have a lot of disagreements with my husband because of that. I always try to be nice to everybody and I accomodate everybody to help them and when it’s my turn nobody’s there. My husband is more tough and street-wise, he says to me “smart-up, not everybody’s that way”. I cannot change the way I am and he sometimes worries that some people take advantage. It makes me feel good.”

What question should I ask you next?

She laughs. “I don’t know. I think you ask all the main questions. Ask anything you want to know”. What do you love about the work that you do? “ Nothing. I do it because I don’t have school. I don’t like nothing about it. I do my best. I do it because I don’t have school. I have Grade 6 – it’s nothing. It’s either that or a factory. I’ve been doing this for 15 years already. I’m not going to change it now. Only time I change it is when I stop. This is what I tell my kids all the time. Do something, doesn’t matter what, something you love to do. Don’t be like me. I do it to survive. You guys can do something to survive and have pleasure at the same time. Whatever makes you happy.”

There is wisdom in simplicity, more wisdom than we know. Go to school. Do what you love. Be kind to others. Pray for peace in the world. Enjoy conversation with a friend. More free time to do nothing. What’s that old saying? All I really needed to know I learned in kindergarten? Life can get so complicated as we progress on our journeys. Stop for a moment, take in a breath of fresh air and ask yourself “What did I learn in kindergarten that is important for today?” I’ll bet you’ll find wisdom.

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Meaningful Conversation #3

Posted by Trish Petersen on April 15, 2010 under E=mc2

Engaging Women in Meaningful Conversations Makes Community

My third meaningful conversation is the second part of the conversation I had with the two friends at the coffeehouse. This woman had been stirred up by circumstances in her life that have offered her the opportunity to understand and reflect on what’s important. Her clarity was remarkable and had a profound impact on me.

What are you most proud of?

“The way I handled my husband’s death when he was sick. He passed away from prostate cancer but it took us two years from the start to the gradual decline and I saw things myself I never thought I would. You know, you never know how strong you’re going to be through those situations and looking back that’s probably the thing I was most proud of, the way I handled that…that was 2 years ago.”

What makes you happy?

“I have to relate mine to my career only because I’m not with anyone right now and I don’t have kids. But I do a lot of public speaking and training, so for me I just love when my folks get it – that just really makes me happy. Like I know I’m doing the right thing.”

I wish I had…

“I’d have to say, I wish I had a partner, who is as great as my husband was. Someone I could be best friends with – it’s because we had such a good relationship that I want another good relationship. We used to golf together and all that and I’d love to find someone who likes the athletic things… We were together for eleven years.”

What makes you sad?

“I don’t get too sad, I’m pretty good at putting things into perspective. You know, yeah, I miss my husband big time, I wish I had him back but it doesn’t make me sad to think about him. It makes me happy to think about the good times we had together. I guess I’m more sad when other people around me aren’t happy, because I always feel like I want to help them and I feel helpless, I can’t help others when they’re sad. I want to fix it.”

What do you fear?

“In the beginning shortly after he died, I was afraid I wouldn’t live my life to the fullest, I was afraid I would be too sad or depressed. Now I think my fear is not being a Mom. I just turned 41 and I’d really like to meet someone. I’d make a great Step-Mom. I think I might be passed the stage of having one myself, although I have my husband’s sperm on ice… just before radiation, I got ‘em out of there just in case. But I don’t know if I’d want to do that all on my own – that’s a lot. So, yeah, I’m kind of fearful that I won’t have that opportunity be a Step-Mom or Mom. It would be nice and maybe I’d consider adopting but I’ve got to find the right man who is willing to do all that as well.”

What inspires you?

“My Mom – she’s awesome. We lost my Dad five months before my husband, so Mom and I went through it together and we were just solid. She was right there. The other things that inspires me is when people take on a challenge. I see it a lot because I also teach public speaking and it inspires me to see people get up there even though they are scared to death. And I love that. That person is scared for their life and when that person faces that challenge head on, I find that inspiring because it’s not easy to do.”

Who is your hero?

“I would say my husband and my Mom too. They way they both dealt with it. One thing with my husband was that he never once questioned why. And I did. I had some low moments where I said why – why is this happening to us, why is this happening to him, he’s so young. He never said why. He would say it’s all part of the plan, part of the master plan, there’s not much we can do to change it. So I’ve learned to live life to the fullest.”

What do you long for?

“Definitely for me, that long-term relationship, that long-term commitment with someone who says I’m with you to the bitter end. Someone who’ll be my best friend as well as my lover.”

My best advice is…

“Every day matters. Every moment counts. I travel a lot for my job, always on different planes, meeting different people and I see people together and I can tell they’re not touchy-feely and really together. I look at them and I think God, they have no idea. So when I have the opportunity I say “come on over and give her a big hug, giver her a big kiss, you tell her you appreciate her, because you never know”. I don’t preach it but if given the opportunity and someone starts talking about their relationship, I’ll kind of slide it in because it does matter.”

What question should I ask you now?

I realize now in playing back this conversation, this woman didn’t answer this question. So I’ll pose my own: How do you come through such a tragedy and share such strength, wisdom and beauty?

Challenges and crises have a way of opening us up, rather than shutting us down. We have a choice and that’s often what we choose. As human beings we are incredibly resilient and I am grateful for the reminder embodied in this woman I had the pleasure of meeting. I am also grateful for the reminder from her that “every day matters and every moment counts”. Absolutely. Today I celebrate 13 years of marriage with my husband Dave. I’ll hold onto that hug with him a little longer after having this conversation and remember to be grateful for every day and every moment.

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